Architecture Is A Medium That Can Make A Difference

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so this is your third interview with arc


after uh after three years i would say

and the binary was postponed twice

so but i see that you have a lot of

optimism still

my question for you is how do you feel

that it finally happened

i feel very moved i feel moved because

everybody worked so hard

and believed in architecture and then

the possibility of us coming together

against all odds and given all the


the fact that everybody’s here and


and really interested in the dialogue

that this pianelli can

create is very moving

so i know the question is in the future

form but you always

always underline the present dimension

of it so

my question for you is how will we live

together now let me try and avoid

answering this question

because i feel like we have 115 ounces


and that there should not be as i

mentioned in my previous interview with


a single source from which we get the

answer however

each of these answers comes with a level


determination that we should change


that they are not so far out there that

there is a level of possibility

in each of them but also that they do

that at two levels one level

is we change things but at another level


exercise the architectural imaginary in

order to help us think

what if how about this how about that

but not too far out that it leaves the

realm of possibility

okay so actually today you said that

the pandemic will come and go but issues

like climate change and mass migration

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will not go if we don’t really tackle

these issues so

how much you think the biennial is


in actually exploring these questions

the biannual whether it’s architecture

art or the other fields

has been crucial for convening

bringing people who have been

experiencing the same issue

across the world to compare experiences

to compare

approaches and therefore it is vital for

that exchange to have a platform like

the binary

and in architecture much more than the

other fields there is no such platform

there is no such

comprehensive and inclusive platform as


yeah and we notice actually that there

are a lot of like similar responses and

actually you spoke of

recurring qualities among the

interventions the pavilions etc

but knowing the fact that they come from

different backgrounds from different

contacts so

how do you actually explain this and do

you think that the world actually

has finally realized that we have common

problems and that we should face them

probably together there’s a level at

which these

responses which i’m referring to as


are very evident you know when you face

a boundary you want to get rid of it you


when you want to bring people together

in a manner that is equitable and


you form a circle i don’t know if you

notice but there are a lot of circles in

this binary

these are forms of social association

that i feel are universal

even though they have different meanings

and they acquire different attributes

with time in different contexts

but it’s beautiful to see that there’s a

universal language that we can call

architecture so i noticed that there are

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a lot of new representations and

also a lot of diversity and like the

backgrounds of

the people that are actually part of

this biennale do you think this is

related to the question the

exhibition is asking i think so

we cast the net very wide not because

only we wanted to be inclusive there’s

definitely that

willful need to be inclusive but also

because we were seeking innovative


and guess what the innovative answers

are not coming out of

europe and the us only anymore they’re

coming out of everywhere

and that’s our hope is to show a

leveling of talent

and the possibility that many of the

problems which are

being faced in cabo verde in

angola in lagos in beirut

uh are problems that

the local architects are already

tackling and dealing with their


and coming up with billion solutions for

them so why not put those on the

same level as other problems in europe

or in north america well speaking of our

curators like

we had a chance to talk to a lot of them

and everyone actually

appraised your involvement in their

project and how much you push them


so i wanted to ask you about how was the

collab after the postponement

of the biennale

how was the collaboration all and all

like with them because it was like

digital they were not here and even like

they couldn’t really build their


i have to say that after this finale i

have 115 friends

because of this piano and i’m very

grateful for them to engage in

discussion dialogue

and also to work with each other and

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that has been

one of the benefits of this extra year

so the digital aspect is super

omnipresent i would say and

do you think this is a way to enhance

the experience you were talking about

like the need to have an experience

or do you think this is more of the

future of architecture

let’s see but i feel that there is

something there you’re right

there’s something about this enhanced

experiential dimension in the way that


installations projects uh focus on

amplifying the sensory tactile

dimensions of architecture

there is something there and if we have

to compare the digital

actually the digital exhibition versus

the physical one because we know that a

lot of openings are going to happen

digitally and a lot of creators are not

even here

actually we had the uh an interview with

the korean curators who were not here

and we were

here so my question to you is like how

do you see this difference

at some level there’s nothing that would

replace the

bodily tactile experience but another


i do not see them as opposed they tend

to be complementary

sometimes one enhances the other in

unexpected ways and there are many

explorations of that nature here

and finally what would people who come

to the vienna expect

physically i don’t know what they’re

going to expect but i hope that what

they will walk out with

is a stronger belief in architecture as


a medium a vocation that

can make a difference thank you